Magic Music Visuals

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instead of just numbered buttons, have little thumbnails of the scenes. would either require the list items to be wider, or offer the otherwise common tiles alternative. at my latest gig i noticed how my scene names werent always the best way to shortly describe a scene, while a thumbnail would be b...

my first guess would also be to have a qube or sphere surrounding everything, where yould put up a texture.

woops, yea youre right. you have the correct link.

i'll correct my original post.

This was a lucky hit. I'm able to send midi notes to magic over wifi with an android app called Piano for You (I'm sure there are other apps which support midi over wifi). The midi info is received on my win7 computer by a program called DSmidiWifi which routes it to LoopBE1, which is visible in mag...

and: instead of an obj folder workaround, have true support of a 3d models animation data, whatever that may look like

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my god the things possible XD. i keep losing focus:

because if I have scene A, which i use in scene B (by add>scenes>sceneA), and do the auto pp, both A and B get a pp-node, and scene B is not working anymore because the pp is applied twice. \\Edit: well... we can just deactivate the node in scene A, and it wont get reactivated when the auto-pp-thing...

that looks interesting

Another solution is to use Resolume Arena as your base software. Magic is a great tool, but it is not a stand alone VJ solution. However, Arena is, and also it will control DMX lighting natively, plus a lot more features in line with what you seem to want to do. And, Magic through Spout to Resolume...

i understand that of course. is it possible to use the same midi controller to controll multiple programs on the same computer?

The Blend module is designed for images that *don't* have an alpha channel. It's really for color blending only. So an alpha channel can actually screw things up. I should probably add that to the documentation :) could it be rewritten so that it passes any incoming alpha channel though then? or th...

heh, yes that does work.

awesome. no idea why it is though. thanks for the quick answer. *flies away productively*

does the blend module somehow mess with the alpha channel? my original problem was gone when i my "pic-to-add" also had a meaningful alpha channel.

so i have this base picture of colorful things on a sphere. the top half of the image is transparent (it has an alpha channel). beneath this picture is the pic of the flower. works nicely: 2016-06-24_1734.png now i want to ADD some other pic to the sphere-pic which doesnt have an alpha channel. as f...

as in: how much fps do you save on average compared to ssd with your projects? already used it?

+1 for textsequence/textlinesequence-module

a certainly far-fetched idea came to mind. there are apparently DMX controllers (standard thing to control lights) that allow for midi input. sooo, what if magic was also able to output MIDI values? that way you could control your projection and additional lights/lasers/whatever at the same time. th...

my laptop is about 6 years old so thats entirely possible. in the end i wont be using that laptop anyway so no real harm done.

when I try to use the blend module, it writes this into this txt:

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19-06-2016 18:24:40 Fragment shader: Blend
Fragment shader failed to compile with the following errors:
ERROR: 0:361: error(#132) Syntax error: '.' parser stack overflow
ERROR: error(#273) 1 compilation errors.  No code generated

another test:

i figured a way around this. - invert so it goes from 0 to 1 - offset and wrap to correct the offset of the beatclock a bit - offset to 0.49, so at the first beat of the four, it triggers the go-to-start, and not somewhere in the middle - the expression is bypassed with a (toggling) midi button - th...

i updated via amd.com and the most recent driver/catalyst i was supposed to install was still a legacy driver. openGL is still 3.3xx magic says. my laptop has an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, which is really pretty old. so it might just not support the blend-module?

Ok, I understand the consistency argument :). But for those windows, do you actually prefer MMB-dragging to using the scrollwheel? if both are an option, and the dragging isnt limited by the border of the screen, then yes. im used to that from other software like blender, inkscape or photoshop and ...

like playlist, and audio/midi window, etc. that way mmb-scrolling is consistent in all windows.

i think thats just a programming paradigm that ended up in the interface.

imho it doesnt matter.

a couple of things come to mind: - monitor is plugged into onboard graphics instead of gpu - other resource intensive process in the background (antivir, photoshop, 3d software, something os-related) - different settings in magic (aa, resolution, double buffering, cached things, etc) - assets that w...

hi i borrowed a friend's laptop because my own runs only 15mins on battery. so this friend's laptop has only integraded intel HD graphics. my little magic test file runs perfectly, but for some reason fullscreen is not working. if i go fullscreen, the magic UI becomes unresponsive, as you would expe...

Eric wrote:Have you tried updating your graphics driver? 3.3 is an older version of OpenGL; the current version is 4.5.

wups, it should not have come to this question XD. updating drivers now.

As far as I understood this (which may be wrong of course) the "collect assets" feature is supposed to copy all used assets into one folder and relink the modules within the magic file accordingly, and then even ask if it should save as this magic file in this folder as well. however i not...

Version: 3.3.11672 Compatibility Profile Context Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc. Maximum RGBA Texture Size: 8192x8192 pixels Maximum Renderbuffer Size: 8192x8192 pixels Extensions: GL_AMDX_debug_output GL_AMDX_vertex_shader_tessellator GL_AMD_conservative_depth GL_AMD_debug_output GL_AMD_depth_clamp_...

hi, i noticed that the blend module is not working on my laptop. that's not a showstopper as i'll eventually be using my desktop anyway. but i wondered: is it possible, that's an openGL issue or something? my laptop is rather old.

exploring further XD

it's an 48 frame animation that's timed with the beatclock/2. made it with blender.

in terms of price and flexibility windows is the better choice than apple. i would also recommend an ssd, a decent amount of ram (8 to 16gb) and a good graphics card. gtx 970 is a good choice, but nvidia is already bringing out the nexr generation of gpus, 1070 and 1080, so if youre willing to wait ...

Hi Eric, Okay. Here is what I have discovered. The mpeg4 made by Magic seems to play with the audio controlling the animation, as it was designed. The trouble occurs when I try to import that mpeg-4 into After Effects, where I work within the circular realm for our planetarium. Once there, it sees ...

I like it! Small detail: In the beginning when the point of light in the iris is reacting to the music, you might want to overlay a radial gradient, or a lighter version of the image masked with a radial gradient which reacts in sync, to simulate the dispersion of the light in the lens. It would ad...

you could also go for a different convention. shift-lmb/drag for adding, ctrl-lmb/drag for removing.

next. this is part of the beginning, these two songs are set in stone, what comes after is subject to improvization on the music and as well on the visual side.

beat detection has a bit of a trouble for a moment but it gets better later.

hi I noticed an inconsistency in the selection behaviour : ctrl-lmb does add multiple unselected objects to the selection. so does ctrl-boxselect (by boxselect i mean dragging a selection area over objects). ctrl-lmb does also correctly remove multiple selected objects from the selection, but ctrl-b...

the mmb panning is great. it would be even greater if the panning/draging wouldnt be interrupted by reaching the screen edge and we could pan the whole scene without reclicking. maybe it could be done in a way so the cursor stays at the same position relative to the program instead of the modules in...

i'm looking forward to that feature

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afaik Eric implemented the mix and multimix module for this purpose. however they do need their inputs already loaded, therefore they use up more framerates i think.

I thought this might be interesting for some of you guys (some maybe already know about this?). A while ago we talked about those matrox devices that let you combine two or three monitors into one big one that you hook up to your computer only via one cable. I now stumbeled upon "multi stream t...

hm okay, so everything works as it's supposed to then. i guess it doesnt matter anyway, as long as my ssd can keep up. and if not there would still be the option to make a ram disk.

wups sorry, rookie mistake. they dont actually have the same length. 2s vs 20s.

sorry

they're actually 150mb vs 300mb, which still seems odd to me as I think if you add a channel to RGB it should scale up by a third, but who knows, maybe that's the way things are

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did this the first time. i usually encode my stuff with adobe premiere, as it's the only program i have that seems capable. for hap alpha, i needed to encode with 32bit depth instead of the default 24bit for it in order to work (this makes sense of course as it's a channel more), however the file si...

@fractal grinder: very insightful, thanks. so most of them just use clips that have little to do with the music itself and just look cool or/and rely on the vj to play them in a fitting fashion? how did the one guy manipulate his visuals live though? i have another one to analyze for you guys: the b...

The pros use super expensive media servers that utilize LTC timecode to synch lock everything. Check out the Avolite Infinity RX8, a lot of big time performers use them to control their entire stage setup. edit: forgot to add a link to the Ai software that runs on that Infinity server: http://www.a...

hmm. but that would mean the graphics are not even truely reactive

. we can make that better

hmm i have no idea then. i'd assume that magic doesnt care if the incoming beatclock is used multiple times. is it possible that with these midi mate cables theres some sort of signal loss? personally i havent made experience with sending midi signals frome one computer to another, but to verify or ...

are you trying to display more than 127 pics per cycle? cause if so, you'd need to add a smooth modifier (eg 0.001) to interpolate between the midi steps, cause midi is limited to 127 steps.

btw, how are you getting your midi clock from one computer to the other?

sometimes i wonder, how the pro's do their visuals. for example this video of moderat performing intruder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZetuERYzawk&index=9&list=PLmvjHtxgkN49WDPZz3du3IECvx9xZrftE . first you have those curves that seem to be responding to the beat AND seem to start at the...

what exactly do you mean by measure? beat? the beatclock comes in as value that goes from 1 to 0 on each beat, so if you use the beatclock on the "index" you can make it cycle through your whole jpeg folder in one beat. however to account for all your frames (let's assume you have 4) you n...

you can either use the text module (under specials>text) or the text file module or simply an image module where you use an image with your text, preferrably with an alpha channel. a detailed description for the text and textfile module can be found in the user guide: https://magicmusicvisuals.com/d...

imho i see magic more as an interactive realtime program for live stuff but as an animation software for creating video files. of course, the ability to create videos is very handy, but for that purpose you could also do your final compositing in after effects or blender or so and use magic to creat...

You could always point we webcam at another computer ( https://dictation.io/ or Google Docs) or cellphone on which the speech recognition is running. Or you could use Open Broadcaster Software (https://obsproject.com/) to stream. ManyCam can capture a window on a PC or Mac and present it as a webca...

you mean something like unscripted real time subtitles? afaik mmv doesnt have any speech recognition. what you can use magic for is taking the mic input (e.g. the overall volume) and have that drive something. like the size/color/transparency/etc of an object, or the index of an image sequence, or t...

i have an even better idea now: in the second scene you have your bad tv effect that's on top of your image, right? decrease its visibility with an increase=1 and an Invert=1 modifier. upon changing into this scene, it will slowly turn invisible, depending on the value of the increase modifiers. eg ...

hmmm. i solved it

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instead of using the midi as the actual source, i selected (none), and then added:

Offset: 1
Offset: Leran midi param, range -1
Peak: 0.5
Invert

changing the midi parameter range of a modifier is very useful. what i think would it make more useful is, if we could not only enter the value that the parameter is scaled by, but also from where it starts (eg. an offset), which is currently 0 by default. I've run into situations where i would want...

even though your workaround works in my case, i'm still wondering about this :). made a few drawing to illustrate my thoughts :D : this is what the peak modifier does imo: what-it-is.jpg this is what i would like the curve to look like: what-i-want.jpg this is with -x and then with -x+1 (what i thin...

what you could do is make your bad-tv-effect into a video file that goes for a few seconds and slowly fades to transparent (would need to be one of the few video formats that even support alpha (or use a second white-to-black-video as a video-mask)) and only starts at the beginning of the scene and ...

+1, did request this too quite a while ago

. i think an actual tree on the side might be much more useful instead of tabs at the top. eg like this:

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yes, this works perfectly, thanks. luckily, i dont need to press the button too quickly again. any idea why my ideas above were fruitless?

hi, as far as I get this, in layman's terms, the Peak modifier transforms an incoming stepped curve (actually not sure about the terms here :) ) that instantly goes from 0 to 1 and then after a while instantly back to 0, into an insta rise to 1, but then linearly slow back to 0, while the modifiers ...

ok i'll modify my controller then

ah yes for using volumes that actually makes a lot of sense. in my scenario i'm still trying to switch between videos/otherSources within the same scene so i'm not limited by the amount of midi buttons on my controllers. the other thing with the inverted behaviour of learned params is not possible c...

I noticed that the threshold of the Goto Start of the videofile module seems to be at 0.5. And it's only triggered when the value changes from <= 0.5 to > 0.5, but not the other way around. Is there a specific reason for this? I initially assumed Goto Start = true if the value is 1 or something like...

right, i'm still thinking inside the box

artnik wrote:Yes, that will work.

Also, you could just use the SIN OSC(illator) modifier. It already is normalized to output from 0 to 1.

okay thanks. i need to use the expression modifier because it transforms the incoming beatclock, which is basically a ramp.

here the next installment. havent found "my style" quite yet, visually speaking.

so.. this transformation moves the value into a sine that seems to go from -1 to 1, it's difficult to tell though, as the values are changing rapidly. but if this is correct, is it also correct that i can normalize it between 0 and 1 by using a scale of 0.5 and then an add of 0.5 ? i want to use thi...

Right! I did not know that, thanks Blackdot. But still, I think its so much easier to understand them when I can see the change it does, instead of trying to understand the "cryptic" text (I'm not so familiar with all the terms). thats true of course. lets see what eric will come up with ...

if you add a modifier and rmb>help on them, a little window pops up that explains what they do. additionally, theyre documented in the user guide.

did you use mocap data? or was that all manual keyframing? what software do you use?

questions...

no i meant 2pi*x instead of sin(2pi*x). but in the mean time a friend who studies electrical engineering explained it to me and i understood it. i think

. so it's fine, and thanks a lot for the expression

you did the whole character animation? that sounds like a lot of work. awesome

but couldnt we then just write 2pi*x as an expression? sorry, this isnt propably the right place for me to deal with my math problems

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awesome thanks. yeh from 0 to 2pi makes sense, i wouldnt have known though how to write this. so you multiply it with 2pi, that means when it's 1 it's 2pi and when it's 0 it's 0. but what exactly happens if you put that into sin(). resp. why does it make a sin curve then? O.o

i want to modify an incoming beatclock which is basically like a sawtooth curve in a way that smooths the thing out like a sine. i tried the smooth modifier but that's either too smooth or too biased towards the sawtooth. i figured you math wizards know an easy answer?

hm no if it's best like this performance wise, we better leave it like that

hi, hope a thread like this is ok, so eric can debunk certain request ideas because they're not thought through enough, are already planned to implement or arent possible due to software design or tech. - stretching the beatclock over 2 and 4 beats was implemented at some point. is there a reason wh...

ah i kinda overread that. yeah thats nice.

how much ram do you have?

your spout performance increase sounds awesome, 2 percent of ram doesnt seem to be a lot though. also the thing is percentages dont say too much. my win7 machine only uses 15% of ram in idle, but as i have 16gb, thats still a whopping 2,5 gb.

ok thanks

does it load them into the ram or the vram? im suspecting vram, but just to be sure

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i'm gonna do some recordings anyway, so i thought i might as well post them here. this is me prototyping for a live and mostly improvized dj set with 2 friends in july. i'm trying to devise a system that allows me to react to the music while still keeping it simple enough so that i can do that over ...

wow, previewing the next scene sounds like an awesome feature. maybe it would go hand in hand with dynamic preloading of scenes, so we can have a few of them in cache and the rest not \o/

I also plan to upgrade my video card and I going trough a lot of parameters like 2/4GB, GDDR5, 128/256 bit, etc. Is there are topic in the forum that discuss which Video Card parameters are most important/optimal for Magic ? personally i think for an application like magic you would want a cards wi...

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nice, thanks for the clarification

also: wow. i just tried out HAP videos. i turned off double buffering so i could actually see how many frames my gpu was able to make. when i let magic play back 5 different non-hap videos, i got about 800 fps and a gpu load of about 15%. with the same videos converted to hap (each one about 300mb's...

OK...this all sounds good. I just googled HAP and downloaded and installed the codec but being a n00b in such matters how do I use it?...I can only see how to export .mp4 from MMV. Regards the way to go would be this in my opinion: render out png images from magic. then import this png sequence int...

I would love an option to tell those modules to do the same thing for x/y/z, so i dont have to do the same modifiers and everything 3 times :) (mostly it's just x and y, but still). maybe haven an option to "link" all three or something like that? \edit: okay i just noticed the copy and pa...

Eric wrote:To my knowledge, Magic is currently the best Windows-based Hap playback solution, and the only 64-bit one .

nice, seems we bet on the right horse

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so hap isnt limited by mov even if it comes as a mov file?

you're the best, eric

Eric wrote:Sure, so you'd just want an option to never show the cursor over the fullscreen window?

indeed

according to this: http://www.vidvox.net/forums/viewtopic. ... ap#p115472 HAP is only using the mov container and apparently on windows that's not multlithreaded, so we're again limited to only a few parallel playbacks.

dont know if thats even possible or easy, but i think an option to surpress the display of the mouse cursor on the one screen that plays magic fullscreen would be helpful. because, as i was using two monitors as an extended desktop, i sometimes "lost" mouse on the projector and my mouse mo...

i dont know vegas, but in theory it should work like thi (example values) : export mmv scene as a 10s clip, 30fps, 1280x720, export as movie clip or better as image sequence. then open new vegas project, define it as 30fps and 1280x720. add your music into the audio layer, import your movie/imgseque...

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