Magic Music Visuals

Did you mean Delay modifier rather than Oscillator modifier? I can see that Delay could provide the (1 beat - latency) adjustment I ;) need ;) to try this with live audio. Many thanks for the idea. ... what I actually meant was using a Ramp (for example) to provide a BPM-like pulse.... if you wante...

... it seems to violate the open-source spirit of ISF... Is ISF licensed under GNU GPL or equivalent, such that all ISF code is intrinsically open-source/public? If so, I wouldn't want to encrypt it. Perhaps a standalone utility would be better? I don't mind how it's done :) . I considered a separa...

Eric wrote:ISFs aren't saved with the project though... they are global to the entire Magic installation.

Regardless, can you somehow protect proprietary ISFs?

We can effectively password-protect our Magic projects. Many thanks Eric :D However access to the machines would enable someone to copy any custom ISF files, which could contain proprietary IP. An encryption feature so that ISFs could be encrypted along with the project would address this vunerabili...

Many thanks Eric

I would like to reset a parameter in a module to its default value by double-clicking on its name. I have often found this to be convenient when using Resolume. For example, in a Scale module, double-clicking on "X" would set the value of X to its default of 1.0 if modifiers were not active.

... continued. With great respect, I disagree. In the context of music timing, one can be almost certain when the next beat will occur. No time machine needed, just BPM :) If one delayed live audio to a modifier/module/scene by (1 beat - latency) it would give that scene an effectively instant respo...

IMHO it can all be done within the Audio/MIDI window with little more than the present functionality. 1) Remove the restriction on multiple "import" instances of the file. Each instance can then be given an independent start time as well as level. Ideally an existing "Imported" ...

Ok I think I understand. I would still expect some delays due to audio envelope smoothing... surely I still need to compensate for these? IMHO, "surely" is relative :). I would say it's an aesthetic preference. With great respect, no :). The aesthetic decision to compensate for latency is...

I would still expect some delays due to audio envelope smoothing, & shader buffers - surely I still need to compensate for these? Do you mean the Smooth modifier? I'm not 100% sure what you mean by shader buffers. Yes, the Smooth modifier. The buffers I have in mind are frame buffers used by Tr...

.... I recommend that you don't incorporate delay into a video file -- it should be hardware-independent.... On reflection, I woulldn't want to incorporate compensation for projector lag or GPU double-buffering into a video file - I agree the file should be hardware-independent. I would still expec...

I love waveform displays, but greatly prefer to see a fixed pattern displayed if there is a constant/sustained musical tone. This is rarely the case using Magic, as the fixed audio sample window is generally not close to a integral number of periods of the audio being displayed. An X-Y display solve...

... allow annotation to persist even when the module is minimised... I've asked for this before - it would be extremely helpful when space is limited. ...duplicating the currently selected module in a side panel ... allow one to peek inside a minimised module with minimised parameters quickly or pe...

Accumulated latencies can significantly reduce the visual impact of audio-responsive elements of a scene. (Audio DSP filtering window) + (Audio envelope smoothing) + (Shader/buffer latencies) + (GPU double-buffering latency) + (Projector/display latency) = signifcant lag I suggest compensating for t...

Eric wrote:You guys should also check out TouchOSC if you haven't already...

Thanks Eric. TouchOSC was already on my list having read that helpful discussion.

Cool. Thanks for the quick confirmation!
Looking forward to trying this

Many thanks for sharing!

I searched for "DSWifiMIDI" and found an article that linked to https://code.google.com/archive/p/dsmi/downloads?page=1
This actually has "DSMIDIWiFi" rather than ""DSWifiMIDI"

Have I found the right program?

+1 for nesting scene folders!

A very small timing error suggests the issue is related to "drop frame". Professional TV broadcast kit often will work at a frame rate very slightly different from what you would expect, so a program like Vegas will certainly accommodate this, and perhaps even defaults to eg 59.94fps inste...

Buying used kit can be a great way to save money, but be careful to research whether the item works without issues on your OS and if any special installation method is needed for a driver.

I love it!

I think you could just use any of the color modules to do that... IMHO and with the greatest of respect I don't think this would achieve the requested functionality. Input animation/cycling in certain colour ranges (between green and red in the example given) would give a static if not invisible ou...

Eric wrote:Sure that sounds reasonable. I've been meaning to get a nicer font into the status display...

Thanks Eric!

I'd be happy with capitalised scene names and a 16-segment font. http://glslsandbox.com/e#28195.3

How about a Status Information option to show the current scene name, and playlist entry number if active? It would put the frame rate display in context and be handy when the Editor or Playlist is not visible, when eg running fullscreen on a single-screen system. I wouldn't mind what it did during ...

Really attractive! I very much like the appearance.

Eric wrote:...Maybe I can look into doing a separate ISF shader with that kind of functionality.

Thanks Eric, but that gives quite a different effect to what I would like. I want the object and its trails to have a consistent appearance as they travel together. The hue needs to be a function of trail "age", not "time of birth". Here's an example that starts with my desired e...

Hey Terry, Looks like someone's been making progress with a Trails Feedback ISF: http://www.interactiveshaderformat.com/sketches/902 Many thanks Nik - I hadn't seen this and it looks like a very promising start - I'm inspired to try getting my head round the GLSL language so I can adapt this or som...

... and while you have the cover off the Trails module could we please have at least hue rotation and z-rotation too? Saturation would be a nice further addition. There are many fundamental feedback effects that I can readily achieve with my analogue setup which are impossible with the present Trail...

I'm no mathematician so I find an empirical/aesthetic approach generally is far more productive when working with trails. I find the Z/X terminology highly confusing, and wonder what is "Z/X-ness". It apparently means "trail vertically too", and when I am designing scenes that's ...

Hi ...I'm really not a visual expert...but I find this very interesting ... I just want to share it : http://photosounder.com/michel_rouzic/#srgb Very many thanks for sharing. I hadn't considered the importance of working in linear colour space and didn't realise that the sRGB specification include...

... I'm hoping to implement soon .. Adding a Fade parameter to the InputSelector. Cool :D, but please may we have some additional features: a) Transition style options as well as duration - the same as offered in the Playlist. b) Non-Additive Dissolve as an extra transition style option for the Pla...

+1.
Perfect.

Clean and simple. Thanks Eric. I found it a little tricky to edit in the small Expression box, and definitely easier to have an independent offset modifier that held just the phase, preceding a sin() Expression which remains unchanged for all the different phase instances. Also, I found some longer ...

With Eric's latest beta release 1.65b, there's an incredibly powerful Expression modifier. You can get your rate-independent phase offset easily using the sin(x) function by adding a phase offset to x. I was playing around getting a feel for the possibilities. Here's a crude re-work of your elegant ...

...The more I play with this app, the more I appreciate how well programmed and thought out it is – if I go to look for a feature ... I tend to find it's been addressed already. :-) I agree :-) Best wishes for your new project. I didn't know the work of Scott Draves. The work on his website is inde...

Glad my comments were appreciated Nik - the timing of your cafe conversation is spooky - I think we are somehow linked, or there's a Divine suggestion that we would both benefit greatly if we were. I hear you on FPS - I'm often at the limit because for real-time projects I tend to refine my scenes u...

Hi Nik, Thanks for the Vimeo 'Follow'. I think you should link here to your cool Vimeo VRLens videos as well. I find them inspiring. I love your work - it's the first time I have seen Magic videos that strike me as Art rather than VJ Visualisations. They have the same appeal as a visit to an Abstrac...

Eric wrote:..As for the BSOD, you might want to try toggling the "Use Spout v2" option to see if it helps any...

Thanks Eric. I had tried the v2 option - no difference.

I'm pretty certain that I updated the laptop's graphics driver - but I'm going to remove then re-install.

...in Kagura you'd select LoopBe1 as the output, and in Magic you'd select LoopBe1 as the input. Let me know if it works. :D Yes! :D Very exciting! Noticable latency, as expected, but quite useable. I made a trivial Magic project, simply changing between three image sources according to a MIDI note...

... NAMM show... most interesting things... Kagura ( https://www.kagura.cc/ ) - ...it might be cool to use this to control visuals in Magic with your arms/hands :D Thanks Eric! This is awesome :D There's a truly awesome Kagura2 beta available (edit: for WIndows ), and a community forum, by invitati...

Very generous! Thanks Eric!

... I tinkered with the .fs file to turn the Branches and Scale constants into sliders with a range of -100.0 to 100.0 and to take image input... That's really cool - thanks for sharing! It's so much more versatile. I see what you mean by the "pumping" - but I can't at the moment see why.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4sk34kgzx6fr3mm/AAC1JDj9hx3FH34oWBCvzFHKa?dl=0 Hopefully comp 2.magic in the above directory will be acceptable as my last-moment entry - I've had very little time to work on Magic but wanted to submit something that featured waveforms. It's a sample project rather than a...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4sk34kgzx6fr ... zFHKa?dl=0

Ideally there would be some means of editing the "performance", eg trimming the timing, note or velocity. Yeah, I agree. I think the fastest way for me to provide functionality like that would be to automatically save MIDI recordings as native MIDI files, so you could edit them in a separ...

I would love to use MIDI file as input. Basically we need to a way to slowdown control stream the same way we can do with Audio. It is really important for large rendering. Thanks, yeah I've been planning to add that feature. I'm also hoping to add a feature that will let you record and save live M...

Vimeo allows download of the original file, so a collaborator or potential client can see an un-degraded version. I needed to upgrade to a Vimeo Pro subscription before I had sufficient upload allowance for a full HD high-bitrate file, and even then I am very unhappy with the degradation when stream...

Amazing and inspiring!

There's a beautiful and endearing quality to both the illustration and the animation. Far beyond anything else I've seen in Magic or would ever have believed possible. Exemplary!

Thank you for your feedback You're most welcome. I can see what you mean by it being a bit jittery...but knowledge wasn't there... You will find this forum amazingly responsive and supportive. If ever you are dissatisfied with aspects of a scene or unsure how to achieve a desired effect, just ask! ...

I like it - some extremely effective use of graphic images. Well done! :) Are you using separate tracks/stems to control individual elements? I find the video and music enjoyable throughout, but a couple of points come to mind which slightly reduce that enjoyment at times. It jars a bit when the ins...

The only other thing I could say after using the Annotations is too have a option to make the note visable when the module is minimized. That would be perfect I agree, and have already requested this. Eric suggested "Temporarily I suppose what you could do is put another module near your minim...

Thanks very much for all your work - really useful!

you want to delay the sound... So it syncs up with the delayed video output? That would be a very cool capability :D. It's not the mechanism I had in mind, but would enable a stand-alone system to gain the same benefit as the slaves I had been considering. I was originally thinking of slightly chan...

Eric wrote:... most of those things are possible... almost all graphics cards have native support for hardware-accelerated fog. Cool, eh?

Cool!

... it's already achievable (at least for the Playlist) by using a MIDI server on a local network. Thanks :D . I didn't know of these. Like this one? http://www.nerds.de/en/ipmidi.html There wouldn't be any latency (except maybe a few milliseconds on the network).. Looks great, but the latency I ha...

Mist/fog/haze?

https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4l2Gzh

ah you mean for a less active performance where you just let the playlists run..? That's an option, bus so's manually changing the scene in an interactive performance. The slaves would follow that too. .. the playlists are synchronised in terms of hopping to a new scene? Yes. However they are chang...

blackdot wrote:...multiple computers each with their magic instance and projector

Yes!

blackdot wrote:...sharing the same data on audio analysis and midi inputs?

That adds further capabilities I'm sure.

I only had in mind locking the Playlist scenes together, with audio being analysed locally.

Humble apologies if this has been requested before (or promised/delivered since). I wanted to record and share the idea ASAP, to guard against loss. I haven't fully worked it out, but it feels good. Comments/refinements welcome! I tend to over-complicate systems on a first pass, or miss the obvious...

Eric wrote:
replace a light source with a scene
Meaning, to be able to light a model with a light from another model's scene?

Yes, exactly, with the relative position and orientation of the scene being moveable in 3D space.

i seem to be the only one who would want such features Me too! Also, and with apologies if this has already been requested, I would like control of lighting for 3D models. Options of light size, shape, position and colour. An option to replace a light source with a scene would be awesome, and facil...

@blackdot, with apologies for my delayed reply. what container and codec are you using for your videos with alpha? Currently, AVI RGBA with Lagarith lossless codec (reducing them to half-huge :D ) http://lags.leetcode.net/codec.html . I'm considering using Quicktime RLE format for certain footage, b...

I love the animation of the Fractal! It looks to me like a dancing galaxy or spacecraft. Very well done, especially for a first use. It really enhances my appreciation of the music. Additionally, the lowest three bars of the spectrum follow the bass very effectively. IMHO adding a Trails module coul...

...other solution would be for me to add another toggle parameter to the Video module Yes please! That would be perfect for handling existing video assets regardless of codec. Re-rendering is not always an option, and pre-multiplied alpha can be disadvantageous http://dvd-hq.info/alpha_matting.php ...

Do you see your Canopus capture device listed in the VidCap module's "Device" drop-down box? I had no trouble feeding Firewire/IEEE-1394 miniDV camcorders into Magic. They are available very cheaply now that their tape format is virtually obsolete, and the image quality looks great to me w...

I had this issue. Quick & Dirty: It works if you put all the supporting DLL's (from the download's "dlls" subdirectory) in Magic's installation directory, and the FFGLFireworks DLL somewhere on the normal module search path. This fits with the instructions, which say "Copy these f...

I like the idea of a playlist for the video module. Perhaps add audio / MIDI control of vid choice from the list: - Forward - Back - Random - Specific I can forsee challenges in buffering this if there are separate video files, so maybe much easier to have a playlist that's actually a list of start ...

Hi Simon, ...I was trying to separate the input of the guitar and the electronics visually in order to try and drive home to the audience the fact that the visuals were being driven by the sounds. Exactly what I want from my visualisations, a clear link between an element of the visuals and an eleme...

Many thanks Eric!

I know it seems simple, but it isn't. Trust me :). I accept the word of the Master on the internal structure of his Masterwork, but remain mystified. ...perhaps have option to export and import playlists, in the same way as one can export/import Edit Decision Lists with video editing software? That...

That would be very helpful, especially if one could preset for inserted scenes - default duration - default transition type - default transition time Have you tried using the "Duplicate entry" menu option? That's basically what it does. Thanks, I tried and it's helpful. However, it seems ...

I think it would be simpler to have an option to preserve the start time of the following scene, which I believe is an easy fix. :D That would be very helpful, especially if one could preset for inserted scenes - default duration - default transition type - default transition time :D I have to be c...

... perhaps have option to export and import playlists, in the same way as one can export/import Edit Decision Lists with video editing software?
... could fit in naturally as the interface needed for the above proposed editing window.

.. it's really only two entries that need to be edited, right? ... Yes, two if the overwrite is over the end/beginning of scenes, as in my first two examples. It's just a nuisance having to make a note of the previous start time of the following scene and very carefully restore it afterwards. Howev...

Sounds perfect, if I have understood correctly. I look forward to trying it!
Many thanks Eric!

How about an archive with the earlier releases of Magic? Perhaps not the installer, just a zip (like those supplied for beta testing). This would facilitate backup of projects so that they could be run with exactly the same behaviour as when created. I love the bug-fixes :D but I now regret deleting...

Is it sufficient to look at whether the chooser/path has been triggered by the MouseUp event on the GLSLShader's file box? - or perhaps just "push" a path to the default file when the module is created by Add>Special>GLSLShader, and "pop" back to the user's lastpath afterwards?

When creating a video, it's often desirable to be able to punctuate an existing (perhaps relatively uneventful) sequence with a "blip" of something else. One does not want any previous or subsequent content changed. This would be known as an "overwrite edit" in video terms. I fin...

Great music, and the responsive videos are a huge enhancement. Thanks for both! :D I love the kaleidoscopic background here, but IMO the "floating spectrum" is a distraction that reduces the impact (especially with its asymmetry). I find your other Vimeo "Carpet" videos much more...

If the default filter is "*.*" no-one will have extra clicks unless they want/need to filter. Would be fine by me.
Otherwise perhaps add a configuration option for an arbitary default filter or a "LastFilter" memory.

I'd noticed the jumping on some of my projects, but hadn't been able to isolate the cause. Needed messy workarounds or design compromises :cry: Well done for the diagnosis and elegant demo! :D A fix for this would be really helpful, as "Scene modules provide an efficient way to encapsulate enti...

GLSLShader 'Select A File' dialog box: 1) Default filter of "*.txt" in addition to the present "*.*" Particularly helpful when picking shader files from amongst other types of file, eg when browsing in a "Collected Assets" folder. 2) Remember "lastpath" for t...

Ah! Thanks Eric.
That'll be useful in the meantime.

...Have you tried playing with the "audio start time" option though?.. Thanks for the suggestion Eric, I have now played with this feature. It doesn't seem to do what I would like though :( , as the music starts late and no longer relates to the scenes that were designed to accompany it. ...

Handy for testing and demos.
It would be cool to be able to export between specified scenes.

Temporarily .. put another module near ... to show an annotation. Good idea! Thanks! .. making a new kind of module just for that; what do you think? Yes please! In blender you can pull up custom-colored and -named areas behind your existing nodes That would be really cool, and would clearly deline...

When a module has annotation, it would be very helpful if this could (optionally) remain visible when the module is minimised. Minimising can greatly help when arranging modules in a complex scene, but it's a pity to lose detailed description of purpose/function. All functional info is lost when a s...

A further thought, which may lessen the CPU load in the case of one input per instrument: There's no need for a frequency-dependent response to isolate instruments from a mix. Volume-response alone could then be sufficient for many aspects of an instrument's "scene", whereas otherwise freq...

Well, I have typically used a scaling factor too, but an additional offset would be equally easy.
It would be great not to have to hack the shader though.

Eric wrote:Looks good Terry

Eric wrote:So what exactly is controlling the x param in these cases?

X param driven from different frequency bands of the accompanying music track.

In the same arrangement as seen on screen:

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Four Shadertoy shaders, each modified to use iMouse.x instead of iGlobalTime.

Further to my thoughts here:
http://magicmusicvisuals.com/forums/vie ... rt=20#p751

It's an issue with many programs. I swap monitor configurations frequently and often have this problem (under Win 7). I always have Compendium Development's free forceWindowVisible utility pinned to my taskbar. https://github.com/eviltester/forceWindowVisible It shows every window, including normall...

...You would have one EQ per audio input, similar to how the audio gain is now. Cool. This would be very useful. :D A few thoughts on the subject: - 30-band spectrum display would be helpful to show level in each freq band of a particular input. - Allow multi-select of adjacent bands of 30-band gra...

So cool! If downloading, note that Ivan Ryabov's (free) irkeystone3 plugin is used, although the project will run without. To fully appreciate the elegance of this design get the plugin here: Win: http://irworkshop.com/dl/IRKeystoneWin.zip Mac: http://irworkshop.com/dl/IRKeystoneMACOS.zip More of Iv...

Perhaps consider the browser accommodating animated GIFs or even short MP4s?

... I was able to get it to look pretty good on both the zebra and the DJ.. Me too! :D Excellent control of transition and despill! :D Works equally well for blue-screen with c.b & c.g interchanged (5 locations total) in the getAlpha & despill subroutines. :D Hugely helpful! Very many thank...

Sure, no problem. Thanks Eric! :D ...once the signal has clipped, you can't un-clip it. Reducing the gain would therefore give you a quieter but already-distorted signal. With respect, I think it is more likely that clipping would occur within Magic because the gain has been increased . Pre-recorde...

We want the same thing :), although the main reason for my original request http://magicmusicvisuals.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=228#p807 was to adjust for the difference between individual music tracks rather than between inputs. I find the peak-to-average volume ratio varies significantly b...

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