Magic Music Visuals

Glad you got it all working. I like the still frame of your effect, and expect that the moving version is even more attractive. Thanks for the very interesting links. I'm sure that there will indeed be some further inspiration. I've only had time to skip through those videos, but it immediately stru...

I just quickly checked out your YouTube channel. :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: Awesome! :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: I love what you're doing with the visuals, especially with the combination of chromakey and lumakey. I'm inspired to get back to my greenscreen work! I love the quality of key that one gets from a green...

I'm very glad that helped :D I'm on my phone, so this is just a quick response to keep you going forward. I have a problem with my only currently accessible PC :( I'd attached the "Show Alpha.fs" file to a post in our previous thread. Look at the bottom of my post for the attachment. https...

An outline around the figure will substantially improve its definition in some cases. Here, the outline is transparent so can easily be filled

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Here's a demo of the above. Is this the effect you wanted?

EDIT: Video link corrected

If I've understood you correctly you want to replace your chromakeyed image with a videowall, leaving a transparent background. Once you have extracted the alpha from your chromakeyed image, you can use it to key anything you want , leaving a transparent background, just as the chromakeyed image doe...

Adding an "Erode" module in the alpha feed to the "Mask" module will add a black border (right-hand image). This can be useful to isolate the camera image from the background if it would otherwise be hard to distinguish.

Here's a demo, using the Match Alpha method (#2) and the "Edges" module in place of the "Optical Flow Generator".

Some of the effects don't support alpha channels. I'm not really sure if there's a "workaround" per se. Not a general workaround, but there are possibilities that will work in certain cases. The first two below will give different results - hopefully one or the other will be useful to you...

Re 1 - I think the OBS-Virtualcam plugin may do what you need, making a camera connected to OBS also visible to another application. Any such software is liable to increase your CPU load. I saw the reference here: https://www.reddit.com/r/obs/comments/gud8gz/what_software_do_you_guys_use_for_a_webca...

Eric wrote:Live video will almost always be behind live audio ...

... so it's common to have an audio delay facility to compensate for this. I'm not an OBS user, but expected it to have this facility and indeed it does:
https://streamshark.io/obs-guide/audio-delay

Sadler, I suspect I have misunderstood your objective as the suggestion below seems too obvious. The Custom Freq. Range feature can be set to an extremely narrow band, so a global could respond mainly to that narrow band. A quick check with a range 200Hz - 210Hz showed the response was roughly -6dB ...

... found an ATEM Mini Pro for the same price and much more capable. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/nz/products/atemmini Does anyone here have any experience using these ? Firstly, I don't have experience with NDI and haven't yet evaluated the ATEM Mini Pro, so the following is just a caution. A ...

:D :D :D New Version 2.9.14.0 now available :D :D :D The new version of Vidvox's awesome ISF editor is available for download. New link too: https://isf.vidvox.net/desktop-editor/ :D :D :D There appear to be very many new ISFs that come with it! :D :D :D It raises the issue of how to categorise them...

Awesome and inspiring!

Great work Sadler!

I am building a project with lots of short video clips. ... When I got to about 15 scenes the CPU maxed out and I can't run the playlist anymore due to lots of stutter. ... activity monitor shows it's the CPU that is maxed during the stuttering. .... Are the video clips in MP4 format? Decoding this...

Especially as Shadertoy shaders are mostly licenced only for non-commercial use, perhaps such issues could be usefully be flagged in the answer to FAQ "Do I own the content I create with Magic?" eg "Yes, absolutely. ... However, we aren't responsible for any content you import into yo...

... Is this a new feature of v2.3?... The "-mi" feature been there for ages - certainly since 2015, the date on the forum post that I linked above. I've been using it during live performances to give two independent Magic outputs from my PC. I cross-fade between them using an external vid...

Could someone please clarify what a "-mi" flag is? It's an example of a "feature flag", used to enable a particular feature. " mi " stands for"multiple instance", ie more than one instance of Magic running at the same time. "mi" is passed to the Mag...

Thanks for sharing this, I enjoyed it very much.

I don't normally like glitchy and flashing video - it's often so random, but your glitches and flashes are really nicely responsive to the music. Well done!

64-bit Magic is "FFGL compatible", but the FFGL plugins must also be 64-bit. If you want to use Resolume plugins then they must, at present, be compatible with Resolume 6.

Nice one Sadler! Very clearly illustrated and explained, and a very attractive responsive design. I'm sure your tutorial will inspire many people. It certainly inspires me. IMHO the impact of the video would be even greater if you reprised the animated design for 30s at the end of your spoken sectio...

I've recently been combining several projects for an upcoming event. I've re-factored to replace commonly used blocks with scenes, whilst eliminating 32-bit FFGLs. Many block and FFGLs instances needed to be replaced, but there were only a few scenes and replacement ISFs needed. Some FFGLs needed to...

See https://magicmusicvisuals.com/downloads/Magic_UsersGuide.html#SceneModules You can add as many scenes as you wish, and they will play together. Depending on the contents of its scene, you many need to use a LumaKey module after a SceneModule's output to prevent a black background from obscuring ...

An awesome and inspirational creative work in concept, scale, depth, content and performance! Congratulations! The sound mix alone is captivating, with beautifully judged smooth credits. Very tasteful choice and compositing of 3D objects, impressive cinematography and composition in many scenes, gre...

...there's a new version in the works that will bring 3d FX... and improvements to turbulence and secondary particles - assuming they'll make it into the stand-alone version... I've just watched the sneak peak. The presenter states that the new features will indeed make it into the 2021 stand-alone...

You're welcome. One or other of the methods should work, let me know how it works out!

I've slightly edited the instructions for adjusting the mask in an attempt to reduce a previous ambiguity.

The problem is caused by alpha not being zero in the background of your small picture. It should be zero, but is just very low. This means that the transparency is not 100%, just close to it. When the small picture's rectangular background overlays a bright area, its low alpha causes a small reducti...

I've had crashes when large projects exceed the available GPU memory. I suspect there may be slight extra memory usage when loading a project. Perhaps yours was right on the limit when you saved it, and loading pushes it over. On a blank project 1) Window > Magic Window Options > Lock Graphics Resol...

Thanks Sadler!

A 3D version would be very interesting, but there are so many parameters with just the 2D that I'm already overwhelmed with the possibilities - so quite happy to wait!

Another test

Not a recommended workflow, but as a quick experiment... In Boris FX Particle Illusion - I chose an emitter and adjusted some parameters - Rendered a ProRes movie In Adobe Media Encoder - Added the ProRes movie as a source - Rendered the movie to individual JPEGs in a folder In Magic - Added a JpegF...

Boris FX have released a free version of their Particle Illusion software, which can export movies in many ProRes video formats - including with alpha channel. 2,500 emitters to choose from if you download the free addon pack (Select Particle Illusion as host when downloading and restart Particle Il...

I have often used WAV files for the main (mixed/mastered) audio track to preserve quality. I've had no problems.
I use MP3s for additional stems, to keep project size down.

The audio contributes a very small percentage of the file size. A quick estimate from the relative bitrates suggests a maximum potential saving of 2% for a very modest video bitrate of 10Mbps and a audio bitrate of 192kbps. Much more effective at reducing file size would be an option for Variable Bi...

I love the music-responsiveness, with the opening shader in particular. It's awesome - your own creation? Congratulations, regardless. Although I like the dancing in itself, for me the aesthetic of the background "lights" doesn't relate to the opening scene. The chasing is great, but for m...

Thanks Sadler!

... and yes indeed, that's the post I had in mind. Well done!

I was very pleased with the end quality of this YouTube upload, a 4k re-render of an earlier version. There's a lot of use of my adaptation of an X-Y display shader. I've discussed it before somewhere on this forum - but can't find where at the moment. Frustrating that "XY" is considered t...

Eric wrote:... it's pretty complicated and I can't make any promises.

On top of which they don't currently seem to be responsive to issues raised by other devs https://github.com/resolume/ffgl/issues

+1 for this request. Presentation would be much cleaner, and I wouldn't have to explain the misleading display away when I'm describing what I'm doing with a module's parameters.

Indeed I did enjoy these vids - a lot of my work is with live reactive/interactive visuals. Here's an (old) example: https://vimeo.com/223696125 Usually the performer is facing an audience with the main screen behind. I've found the biggest challenge is to arrange a second screen so that the perform...

That's a very expensive upgrade! I suspect it would only give a relatively small performance increase, and might prove very poor value for money. I suggest trying to see what the CPU usage is during your long exports. Windows Resource Monitor can show you CPU usage for each virtual CPU core. A quick...

Indeed, expensive, but I've wanted have particle effects on several different video projects and have been put off by the many times higher costs of any alternative (After Effects) plugins I've found so far. From my initial testing I will be able to do nearly everything that I previously wanted with...

Are there plans to support FFGL 2.1 in Magic 64-bit?

There are some awesome plugins for Resolume 7, for example Haute's "Velocity", a particle engine that follows outlines.
https://inapp.get-juicebar.com/effects/velocity

I'm not sure what you mean by translation and movement in the Waveform module, but you can certainly use modifiers.

I found it too tricky to get a good screengrab of the result, but it's certainly useful.
I played around with the following arrangement.

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I think Solid and Line Width options would be neat additions, giving the additional possibility of an arbitrary un-filled outline.

Neat! The selected polygon module and the active coordinate box within it would then be uniquely associated with the mouse actions. It would be totally consistent with the present UI to use up/down movements of the mouse to position a vertex on one axis at a time, so you would position a particular ...

You need to use the Offset modifier . https://magicmusicvisuals.com/downloads/Magic_UsersGuide.html#AudioModifiers There are examples in this section showing the use of Scale, Offset and Smooth, also how their order is significant. Scale will alter the sensitivity to the audio. Offset adjusts the mi...

My internet access to the Magic site is exceptionally slow and unresponsive. Here's another attempt at uploading my modded ISF.

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Brightness__contrast__saturation_XdcXzn_TP.fs For anything other than minor changes it's extremely useful to be able to check the syntax of the file too. A specialised editing environment will show you the location of any syntax error that stops the ISF compiling. If it doesn't compile it will do n...

Thanks Sadler! I hadn't been conscious of how much hassle I've had over the years using brightness and contrast adjustment modules which never seemed to do quite what I wanted. This one is much better, and with a small mod does exactly what I want when adjusting contrast. I didn't like the output go...

Although not the 'built-in" option that you requested, Eric had a couple of suggestions for drop-shadow that I have found useful.
https://magicmusicvisuals.com/forums/vi ... adow#p4516

I've used two separate instances of Magic V2 to output fullscreen to different inputs on a video mixer. I've also used spanning but I prefer two instances as they still give one usable output if (eg) a rogue plugin crashes any one instance of Magic. From memory, I think I just added "-mi" ...

By no means an authoritative answer, but in the meantime AFAIK: Magic does not have MIDI or OSC output, so cannot drive Lightjams except to a limited extent by using Lightjams' "Video color to lights" capability (perhaps via Spout). Extensive control of Magic is possible via MIDI or OSC so...

In case you haven't already worked out how by looking at sample projects and reading the manual, here's a way to achieve the effect you mentioned. It's often necessary to scale down the size before shifting, else part of the input will end up shifted off-screen.

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Thanks D1gits :D Very interesting - I must check these out. My memory is bad, but on a hunch I searched the Magic forum for "NDI" and found lots, along with previous +1's from myself for a NDI input module! The following in particular looked very promising. It seems that the module you wan...

Glad that worked for you Adam!

Hey D1gits! Many thanks for the info. I must check out the Blackmagic cameras. I'm very tempted to get a Blackmagic 4k or the new 6k camera for my stills photography - shooting short RAW video clips rather than my current method of a burst of shots. Good if the same camera could double up for use in...

+1 for this.
Very interesting to hear about the reduced latency.

EDIT: What camera(s) are you using to give the reduced latency?

Further to Sadler's comments, if all of the sky is much lighter than any of the rest of the scene you could try the LumaKey module. Set Falloff to 1.0, check Invert , then adjust Strength to see if this works well enough to be useful. Reduce Falloff for a more gradual transition, further adjusting S...

.. or an option?

I don't know what you want to do with vector parameters, but each input will give you an independent scalar value so you could combine two of these to give you a vector.

Yes, like Shadertoy's ichannels inputs. Note that you'll see an input pin whether or not it is used in a particular shader, so the input will be non-functional for many GLSL modules. Note also, even if a GLSL module does have multiple inputs used, when first added to a Magic scene it will only show ...

No problem Jim, happy to help, I sometimes forget this one myself.

You need to check "Use Playlist" in Export Movie

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... I will have a look when I get a chance. Thanks Eric! This shader is particularly interesting with its built-in DSP audio filtering. It will be great if that's possible in Magic. Shouldn't your AudioToImage module have Spectrum selected, not Waveform? Maybe not, I dunno. It's definitely AudioToI...

Oops, I just noticed that my Magic project has the XY scope module in Points rather than Lines mode. It makes the trail a little more responsive when the persistence is maxed out. In the ISF editor I much prefer the Lines mode.

Odd. I've attached a project that I tried on two of my systems (both GTX1070) and it runs at good speed, running 720p at nearly 200fps at the same time as the ISF editor. With no music input there's normally a small dot in the centre of the screen. Here's a screenshot of the attached project running...

I wanted to use the awesome Shadertoy XY Audio Oscilloscope in Magic. https://www.shadertoy.com/view/3t23Rt The current shadertoy_to_isf script only produced minimal output, so I used the VIDVOX ISF editor to import from Shadertoy which managed much better. I highly recommend this editor for Windows...

Wonderful! I love your work.
Really imaginative, fun visuals. Uplifting music and messages.

Ok that's probably good enough for now... More than good enough for me. Those bugs have been bugging me for ages. I'm delighted that a simple Spout setting will avoid them. Thanks again Eric! ... I'd urge you (and others) to work on finding alternative solutions for 32-bit plugins. It is seeming mo...

Yes indeed, de-selecting DirectX 9 fixes the problem. Many thanks Eric.

I did have Spout installed, but was unaware of the setting options.

Confirmed.
Spout with Magic 2.13 works fine.

Thanks Eric.
I'm away from base for a few hours. I try to keep earlier versions of Magic, but can't currently confirm that I have 2.13.

EDIT: Confirmed, I have 2.13

Aha! Attached is a project where not only Text , but also Trails and Optical Flow Distort stop working if Spout Output is enabled in 32-bit Magic. Furthermore, when started with "Open Project" in a clean-start instance of Magic, this project enables Magic's Spout Output thus guaranteeing t...

Many thanks Eric

Thanks for the update Eric, but as I flagged at the bottom of my first post I have the problem under Windows 10 so there's more to it than just a Win 7 issue (although I have the problem under Win 7 too) My main studio system is Win 10 Pro 64-bit Version 1809. Graphics card NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB My ot...

Yes, I was able to reproduce it on a different machine. :D :D :D :D What a relief! :D :D :D :D I wouldn't want to add an option as a workaround for a bug; it's better if the bug can be fixed... :) :) :) :) My preference too! It's been such a hassle, and such a puzzle until today. :) :) :) :)

... As an interim partial workround, could we have a "Lock Spout Output" option, equivalent to the "Lock Graphics Resolution"? This would enable text on 32-bit projects which had been saved with Spout on, without having to load and re-save them with Spout off. I find the original...

It's as if the Magic environment is corrupted by something that's not visible within the scene but somehow saved with it and persists even if a new project is opened afterwards. Spout ;) Yes! That does seem to be it! :D A) Problem occurs as a Spout-enabled project is loaded in 32-bit Magic. A1) Sta...

I'm not sure, but I will investigate. Thanks Eric! :D It could be an issue with the 32-bit graphics driver. The world is moving farther and farther from 32-bit and it's just not as well supported anymore. wrt "32-bit graphics driver", do you mean the behaviour of the 64-bit NVIDIA driver ...

Ah, 64-bit works fine.

From the 64-bit version I tried saving the project under a different name and then re-opened that in 32-bit Magic. Same problem, no visible text.

I also tried deleting Magic's XML file, the problem persisted.

I've recently been plagued by non-visibility of the contents of my Text modules, not resolved by re-installing or updating graphics drivers. I was first aware of (and reported) this when testing the new Iterator module. I've tried exporting non-working scenes as projects, then running those projects...

See the section that Eric linked above (the first diagram, reproduced below)

Click on the menu button, circled red below.
Select Show Auto-Advance Options.

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Excellent work!

Up there with Animusic (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF26jtMA9U0).
Was this an inspiration?

Alternatively, if you want to render files out of After Effects (or Premiere Pro) for use in Magic, the HAP codec (1) is an excellent choice as it can be efficiently decoded in the GPU with minimal impact on Magic's performance. The HAP Alpha variant supports transparency. There are high bitrate HAP...

Hexler updates include
- TouchOSC
https://hexler.net/products/touchosc

- Protokol a new beta MIDI/OSC/Gamepad control protocol analyser.
https://hexler.net/products/protokol

If ever the Trails module unexpectedly has no significant effect I add a LumaKey module in front of it and vary the Strength and Falloff parameters.
The LumaKey module then generates the necessary alpha channel. I can't remember any cases where this hasn't fixed the problem.

A couple of brief comments, I think your first two features are already present. Apologies no links - I'm just on my mobile ATM and it's tricky to search the manual. The working area is bigger than the screen. Pan using press and drag on the middle (scroll) mouse button. There is an option to keep A...

Once you want changes or additions to Magic, the appropriate forum is "Feature Requests", so your previous post and the rest of this thread should really be moved there :) I think implementation of your request would require the addition of one new module type, but no mods to existing modu...

This is the right section for questions about using Magic! Any Scene can be used in other Scenes by just adding its (automatically created) Scene Module . https://magicmusicvisuals.com/downloads/Magic_UsersGuide.html#SceneModules So, to achieve your multiple outputs, just create a separate Scene for...

The serrations are known as "aliasing".

At the expense of some of your blur, you can add an Antialias module between the Edge Blur module and the Magic Module.

Many thanks Eric

I'm very happy to do the testing. I'll get a higher-performance PC up and running so I can try my Magewell board on a different motherboard too.

Yes, certain of the other sizes. Experimentally any integer dimensions with the valid range are accepted and delivered. There's no output if either the X- or Y-limits are exceeded. Likewise for fps settings. any integer fps within range, no output out of range. I think the output fps may self-limit ...

Yes, there is only one size shown in the dropdown box, the maximum possible.

...The Size parameter sends its setting as -video_size. Allowing it in the Opts parameter would therefore be redundant (and possibly conflicting). ... Thanks Eric, I fully appreciate this. To clarify, I'm requesting that a user entry of video_size value REPLACES the default option of the maximum po...

Please allow -video_size parameters entered into the Opts box to be passed to the capture card. At the moment my GTX1070 system with a high-performance PCIe capture card runs Magic at just 35fps when simply capturing a 1080p source :o Further to discussions in another place when the VideoCaptureDS (...

Great work Sadler!

For me, the only texture that really doesn't fit with the rest is the superimposed waveform at 0:05-0:08.
No other element looks or responds like it.

Do I get some hamentashen for guessing this is for a Purim party?

Looks very useful at a quick glance. Some personal favourites below. Choice of inputs includes cameras and Spout (I'm feeding it from Magic's Spout 2). The output window can also be used to monitor Input, individual rendering passes and Alpha. Can import from GLSLSandbox and (supposedly) Shadertoy, ...

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