Magic Music Visuals

Video is still private!

+1 for NDI in/out.

It would indeed be an awesome feature.

Suggestion: If there were means of specifying the name of Magic's Spout sender, perhaps as a command line option only, the existing safeguard could still be used. An instance of Magic would not list its own Spout sender name in the available Spout receiver sources, safeguarding the unwary. The more ...

Magic doesn't seem to see another instance of itself as an available Spout source, even though the Zeal SpoutReceiver program sees it OK. I'm wanting to test a large selection of scenes across many old Magic projects as potential backgrounds for a new Magic project. I'd like to select the potential ...

Eric wrote:.... If you hover above the file button (not the word "File"), it will give you the full path name of the selected file.
Edit: oops, maybe not if the file is missing. I'll fix that.

...I don't think it would be too difficult to add some additional scaling options. :D :D :D I'd be very happy with an interim measure of mapping the existing keyboard Ctrl+0/Ctrl+9 zoom to Ctrl+Mousewheel, pending fuller implementation of a zoom function that handles the spacing/connectors too. A n...

Huge thanks for all this skarabee!

I'll be checking all this out shortly.

Further to the above I'm having difficulty updating GLSLShaders where the filename is too long to fit in the File box and is truncated. I'm currently trying to update a project in which I'm using a family of GLSL shaders, distinguished by a suffix on a long filename. I can't see exactly which versio...

Dread message: "The following modules could not be loaded" It would be very helpful if there were means of - replacing all instances of an asset that has an absolute file location. and/or - listing by scene a count of each individual missing asset so one would know where and how many to lo...

Thanks!

Thanks again, but I haven't managed to find a basic tutorial for MUX, and haven't yet managed to add a group of controls.
I'll carry on looking, but would appreciate a recommendation if you have one.

Bump!

Ctrl+mousewheel (Windows) zoom in-out would be very useful when navigating, especially as I'm now switching between 4k screens on my desktop(43") and Laptop (17")

Ctrl+mousewheel zoom is a familiar operation when using a web browser (Firefox,Chrome)

WOW!
MUX looks ideal as I can apparently get a unified interface that I can customise exactly as I choose.

I'll try a demo and confirm I can get it to do what I want.

Very many thanks for this skarabee

Thanks skarabee, both these look interesting - I'll check them out.

I'd like a virtual MIDI control surface, to run under Windows (10) for an upcoming show which has ten songs. I want to define an arbitrary selection of sliders and buttons, with text labels. Ideally I would be able to "page" these so that only controls appropriate to a particular song woul...

... I'd find an Undo for this situation helpful, such that the closed tab(s) were restored to their previous position rather than being appended.

Yay!

YES!

Very many thanks Eric.

Many thanks Eric.
Think I've seen it somewhere on the forum, but how do I get the MIDI out of the DAW into Magic if they're on the same Windows PC ?

I've got a scarily big gig in August where I plan to be using Magic on three PCs in parallel. That's what the client wanted, independent systems. Each system has an input from a camera, pointing at one of three musicians, generating outline, effects and trails using Magic. The three outputs will be ...

...or save the chosen setting so that it is recalled when Magic re-starts or a different project is loaded.

I had been planning to request that myself. It's a frequent annoyance at present.

Many thanks for your detailed answers Eric. Likewise for the "Easing" link - very interesting. I didn't know the term and hadn't considered all the alternatives. Subsequent searching found this https://www.npmjs.com/package/glsl-easings which might prove useful. A couple of further thought...

Many thanks for the RemoveBackground module Eric. I'd just finished implementing a simple threshold version, but your smoothing function hugely improves noise rejection. Although testing showed that your smoothing worked "perfectly", I had difficulty understanding how this was achieved by ...

Some issues I've had when working with the difference between a fixed reference frame and live frames, which are still relevant to Eric's proposed processing: 1) Camera must be rigidly mounted with respect to the subject area, and isolated from vibration (deep bass, people jumping around etc). 2) Ca...

A further extension, facilitating quick swaps between different playlists or groups of visible scenes (pardon inconsistencies in nomenclature - I'm attempting this on a phone screen and it's tricky to refer back. Fighting autocomplete too. ) Add a Group membership list as a Scene property, such that...

Additionally, when only a subset of the scenes are visible in tabs:-

"Add all visible scenes" button on Playlist, and

"Add all visible scenes to playlist" on scene tabs context menu.

Eric is actively working on a version of Magic that will support many more video capture devices, but the behavior you describe is standard for video devices that are not yet supported. They simply don't appear in the list.

Are you on Windows or OS X?

Great video!

Impressive in so many ways. I like the staging with chromakey panels, effects, composition of the shots and editing - very effective and constantly engaging.

I look forward to seeing more of your work and workflow Scotty. I expect Your MIDI control approach is much more efficient than entering durations/times numerically into the Playlist. I found this a slow and tedious task before the new MIDI record facility was available but I haven't had a suitable ...

Thanks guys!

Lots of alternatives/workarounds

Also cool to be able to use a sequence of png files as a video clip with Alpha.

I'm away from my PC at the moment so can't easily give any links, but perhaps worth mentioning : In addition to Eric's instructions re Audio, if you used Magic's Playlist for your video be sure to check "Use Playlist" in the Export Dialog else you will just get the current scene in your ex...

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Many thanks Eric - that's helpful.

Here's an unofficial answer, which perhaps applies only to Windows. A forthcoming version of Magic will work directly with more capture cards and sources, specifically those that use the older technology DirectShow interface. At the moment it's sometimes necessary to use extra software such as ManyC...

Having greater internal precision in Magic is certainly a possibility for the future. Yay :D ...some of the ISF effects use 32 bits/channel (meaning 32 * 4 = 128 bits/pixel) specifically to avoid quantization errors... Wow :D I didn't realise this. Please name some ISF examples - useful as a guide ...

Yes, 10 bits per channel.

A smooth gradient will be rendered with greater precision; the intensity quantisation steps between adjacent values will be one quarter of the size with 10-bit rather than 8-bit. Over a given distance along the gradient there will be four times as many steps, of one quarter the intensity change. The...

I would also like to be able to render 10-bits per channel to output files, even if not to display in real time - although that would have been be ideal on a recent video shoot where I used an external hardware recorder to capture effects from a live video feed. The recording format was 10-bit ProRe...

artnik wrote:Well, perhaps someone else will find it useful...

I'll be using it for my next show. Many thanks Nik!

Could it be an aspect ratio issue? If a 4:3 video source was displayed in a 16:9 window then there would be black bars at the side. X-stretching to fill would distort the image.

With option on video export to run (once) just between the audio loop points?

It's a use case for Sadler's request to allow globals to be used in the expression modifier (which I've often wished for myself). Here one could make a global ("GlobalSum") that summed two others ("GlobalLeftInput" & ("GlobalRightInput"), which would enable Artnik's...

Sorry, this particular Shadertoy shader won't work (yet). From a similar enquiry: ... that is a multipass shader -- indicated by the presence of a "Buf A" tab in addition to the "Image" tab. Multipass isn't supported right now, but it will be when I update the GLSLShader module. ...

hello, so in magic i dont see my magewell dual hdmi capture card inuts in the capture module. no issue in resolume????????? Under Windows I believe this requires DirectShow support in Magic. I too am waiting for this, but it's coming :D One of my highest priorities after releasing Magic v2.0 is to ...

Software 2 : Ibniz (Windows) The on-line Javascript link is broken, but fortunately the page is in the Internet Archive. It has some great presets as starting points, and I found it much easier to use. https://web.archive.org/web/20120123023447/http://ibniz.asiekierka.pl/ibniz.html Many thanks Tano...

artnik wrote:Variable FOR LOOPs are not impossible... you can break out...

Thanks artnik, very effective

Updated version attached. Sample count can now be varied to facilitate tradeoff between resolution and speed.

FWIW here's my unofficial take on Q1 & Q4, and a comment on Q3. 1) Maximum audio tracks will depend on your available computer RAM, CPU type and speed, perhaps on track duration, and will almost certainly be far greater if you use 64-bit Magic (although that rules out use of most FFGL plugins wh...

... ref above, as I couldn't add this image as a fourth attachment. Edit: I had made a few variants of the XY 'scope with different sample lengths as it seems impossible to have a variable length for-loop in GLSL. I settled for having a fixed "variable" to identify each variant clearly. Sm...

..How did you manage to create the centered-animation (in red) from the video you have posted on vimeo - it looks much like an oscilloscope to me.. (in the external application "Shadertoy" I guess)? (ref https://magicmusicvisuals.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1103#p5012 onwards) I di...

tongleiter wrote:How did you manage to create the centered-animation (in red) from the video you have posted on vimeo...?

I'll respond in your handy new topic viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1126

@tongleiter:
Sorry for my delay in responding.

No, I haven't been able to create a full oscilloscope. Following your question I did try to add a timebase to my XY display (with a brightness ramp on the X-axis) but the overall system ran far too slowly to be of any use.

... The spinning illusion is due to a slight timing difference. Here's my understanding: The apparent spin direction depends on whether there is slightly more than or slightly less than an integral (complete) number of cycles of the audio signal in the time between successive captures of the 2048 sa...

There's no way to adjust the Waveform module to give a stationary display for a particular note, although there are two alternative settings for its "Overwrite" option, and one or other of these may happen to give a stationary display. You can see both options running together on the left ...

In this graph I select frequencies from the input audio using a polygon... That's a neat way of selecting a frequency range from a spectrum input, but without an inverse transform I struggle to see how it can produce a frequency-filtered waveform, although I can see it would broadly modulate the am...

...Is it possible to make waveforms respond to certain frequency ranges? ... Not in Magic - but it would be really cool if one could (I may have already requested this - I certainly intended to). You must filter the audio outside Magic before feeding it the Waveform module. For real-time use I have...

Briefly, yes indeed! There's a month's free trial - plenty of time to try Magic - and you will find these forums very responsive and supportive. I've used as many as 12 stems when making music videos, but there's no practical limit to the number of simultaneous audio inputs with Magic - it was speci...

You're welcome. I hope it proves useful. I did discover a way to get higher bitrate from the GPU encoder. Lower values of q push up the bitrate. ffmpeg -framerate 25 -thread_queue_size 4096 -i %08d.png -channel_layout stereo -i animation1.wav -pix_fmt yuv420p -vcodec h264_nvenc -qmin 5 -qmax 7 outGP...

ps Having the luxury of a new NVIDIA graphics card, I thought I'd try GPU encoding. This will work on GTX 600 series and later cards, although there are refinements with each new generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC . I couldn't specify the quality with -crf, but NVENC produced a s...

Sorry about the delay. I've been researching and experimenting, as I'd also like to have a simpler workflow. I decided to try FFmpeg https://www.ffmpeg.org/ I'm no expert, so I'm sure others can improve on the following. I followed the download links and got a Windows 64-bit static build of FFmpeg f...

I'm glad you now have OK results. I normally use Adobe Premiere Pro & Media Encoder for encoding my .png sequences, and I'm not familiar with Virtual Dub. However I too tried to make Virtual Dub work with an external encoder http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/367446-Virtualdub-External-Encoder-f...

...upload the original video file to DropBox ... Perfect. Now we can all see the problem. It seems that in this case the issue is LOW bit rate, approx 500kb/s, leading to excessive blockiness. The subtle gradations in your project are particularly challenging, being very different from the typical ...

FFGL modules are (almost) always 32-bit only and can only be used in the 32-bit Magic version.

Glad the problem's solved :) FWIW I found the NirSoft USB utilities useful when chasing (non-Magic) USB connect/disconnect issues under Windows. USBLogView "a small utility that runs in the background and records the details of any USB device that is plugged or unplugged into your system. "...

Ah! I don't play games, so haven't got their conventions as a reference point. My untrained eye sees the early "Starfield" as moving, and everything else as stationary. However, I get a strong sense of forward motion when the pink clouds come in at 0:28, to a slightly lesser extent at 2:13...

Very enjoyable and uplifting - and some lovely effects. I feel much happier for having watched - many thanks for posting artnik! A trivial point, but I would prefer if the moving starfield in the opening scenes was obscured by the planets. Otherwise I don't understand its scale and origin. WRT the l...

I'm wowed too!

Very well stated.

Many thanks artnik!

artnik wrote:Genuinely curious Terry, do you have any examples of the kinds of effects you're looking to achieve with this kind of looping?

Finally, yes.

A few variations on a basic setup. Note that the feedback is constrained.

Thanks Eric, those are useful alternatives - especially the application of the resolution module.

Thanks guys!

So much to look forward to ....

This one was extra-weird. Just having the plugin connected to the same Magic scene output was enough. I Even had one object getting wider, two narrower ( with an earlier version of the project. VideoFile widened, polygons got narrower. All I wanted was a dropshadow on some text!

Not Magic's problem, but I thought it might be of interest as the attached project's behavior is so odd if the Resolume DropShadow module is enabled and the first scene's output is passed through a Resolution module in the second scene. https://resolume.com/software/tools With Magic set to Custom Re...

Say I have some text that I wish to place in the bottom left of the screen. I use the Text module followed by the Translate module. Generally when I change the text string I must also change the X Translation, and it's difficult to maintain a consistent left start position. The utility of the Text M...

I've been struggling to find the spec for the video sources that the VideoCapture module can see under Windows. Please confirm WDM only. I remember you posting that Magic supported the "latest" Windows standard, but it took me a while to find any references at all and I still haven't found...

Well, if you remove a directory and thus delete some project assets, the project will be broken... isn't this true for any application? OK, but in the case of the "built-in" GLSLShader files the project breaks if one simply changes to a later Magic version from a beta, having deleted the ...

I've just tried to get a test project from a newly configured PC to run on another. Using SysInternal's Process Monitor, I found the project had 84 different PATH NOT FOUND results for ":\Program Files (x86)\Magic_****_Win32\Modules\Special\GLSLShaders\default.txt" . (**** hides the specif...

My porting of projects between Magic versions and different computers would be hugely facilitated if I could specify a search path for GLSLShader files, images etc. My major projects have their assets Collected, but I want to browse others, which are generally broken. At the moment porting often bre...

...The lower diamond shapes that come in with the bass at 0:23 have no lag to my eye. However, I sense definite lag with the two upper shapes,...For now, a solution would be to slightly delay the Start Time of the "mix" audio file, so that it is heard slightly later (in sync with the top ...

Alex May's fugFeedback is my favourite too. Now also available in 64-bit! ( For those who haven't tried it, a bargain at only £5.00 https://www.bigfug.com/product/ffgl-video-feedback/ ) I too have failed to get any ISF feedback to match either the smoothness or the functionality of fugFeedback - I w...

I agree that the video is not out of sync. The lower diamond shapes that come in with the bass at 0:23 have no lag to my eye. However, I sense definite lag with the two upper shapes, apparently the exact latency issue I wished to correct by offsetting the audio. https://magicmusicvisuals.com/forums/...

Ah well. Thanks anyway Eric, and thanks again artnik for these and your many other other ISF links and ports.

..Any connection from an output to a previous input would cause an infinite loop and the program would freeze... Maybe it would work with two modules -- one to mark the output, and one to mark the input --... Currently, modules can't communicate directly with one another. I presume the freeze issue...

I love feedback, and it would be really cool if I could take the output of a series of modules ( say Scale--RotateAxis--HueSaturation) and feed that back into a summing input. Perfect for custom Trail-like effects.

Magic won't let me do this at present.

Any chance? Please!

Love it

A great start to my day - can't stop smiling. Thanks!

Eric wrote:
Will the VideoCapture module support the USB3 Vision Standard?
From what I read, it seems that most new USB3 devices will still be covered by DirectShow on Windows, but I'll make sure to check.

Many thanks Eric

Ah, thanks Eric. Now it makes sense :), and I see much merit in renaming. I will prefix with abbreviated credits. Where I make my own variants I will add a suffix and version number eg _T I plan to use prefixes V_ for original VIDVOX files E_ for your cool ISFs A_ for artnik's many contributions , p...

V1.65: Additional Module Folders On a new system I'm building it seems that only the first instance of an ISF is shown, even if it is in more than one sub-directory. Is this by design or is something amiss? I added Artnik's useful ISF MODULE LIBRARY folders https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o7drh4ntzwomxm/...

One of my highest priorities.. is to improve the VideoCapture module such that it supports DirectShow devices on Windows and QuickTime devices on Macs... This will mean better compatibility with many legacy devices and webcams, and higher-quality devices like BlackMagic cards... The problem with su...

...16 cameras at 640x480 might be interesting though - but what about the bandwidth?.... Personally I wouldn't want to use 16 cameras, but it's good to know that the driver supports that many and that each camera can be individually identified and controlled. Using identical USB cameras under Windo...

The Sony PS3 Eye USB camera can deliver 640x480 @ 60fps with a 3rd-party driver/SDK As it's discontinued, it's very cheap to buy used (£3 in the UK) Unfortunately the driver is not visible to Magic's VideoCapture module, although it supports operation with Skype etc: https://www.zonetrigger.com/arti...

alt0182 wrote:How do you get the waveform to appear in front of/on top of the background. ...

Here's an example with the addition of LumaKey, which I often find useful when layering processed waveforms over a background. You should be able to download and run the attached Magic file.

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To save Eric asking again, have you installed the latest driver for your GTX 750 Ti? I couldn't see your answer. Also, are you using just Magic's built-in modules, with no external inputs except audio? Sorry to hear about your problem. You will find that Eric is extremely responsive - I've never had...

Just announced, so availability of these laptops is questionable, but now "Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops" http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/08/nvidia-pascal-laptop-specs-gtx-1080/ It might be worth waiting for these. I'm going to. 8GB of GPU memory with the to...

Is ISF licensed under GNU GPL or equivalent, such that all ISF code is intrinsically open-source/public? If so, I wouldn't want to encrypt it. Some of it is, but I was referring more to the fact that most ISF code is created collaboratively, based on universal techniques/algorithms, so it's unlikel...

That sounds very cool, but I do think you might have some unforeseen problems with the audio delays, especially as being confusing to the participants, so just keep everything I mentioned in mind as you move along. I have the original Bose QC15s, and I really love them, but they don't cancel out vo...

If Magic could provide a means of providing a slightly delayed audio output to the PA (from any source, say a DJ) - DJ could monitor undelayed version on headphones. - Video projection from camera trained on DJ could be compensated for latency so DJ's projected image would be in perfect time. From ...

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